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Post by rubberband on Oct 30, 2007 20:34:29 GMT
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Post by susan on Oct 30, 2007 20:35:45 GMT
I may be blonde but I dont understand the question !!!!!!!! |
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Post by theresa on Oct 30, 2007 20:37:36 GMT
as a childminder we work alone or with an assitant, a childminder does not work in a children's centre, they are run by nursery nurses
xx
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Post by rubberband on Oct 30, 2007 20:44:50 GMT
ok - lol- sorry!
the question that i was given was:
strategies to overcome childminders Resistance to offering their services through children's centers.
i thought that too - that child minder worked alone - but this question seems to be leading down an avenue I'm not ENTIRELY sure about!!
I'm OK about the first part of the question - the strategies bit - but the "offering their services through children's centres" i didn't get???
HELP PLEASEEEEEE!!!
your opinion would be appreciated
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Post by rubberband on Oct 30, 2007 20:51:48 GMT
does it possibly mean encouraging childminders to work towards becoming nursery assistants in nurseries or OTHER childrens centres???
what other childrens centres are there???
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Post by susan on Oct 30, 2007 20:57:37 GMT
sorry dont know how to answer that one
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Post by sarahnev707 on Oct 30, 2007 21:10:35 GMT
Hello Rubberband and welcome to the forum! I think childminders are naturally concerned that children's centres are going to take their business away from them - they are often well-publicised new builds with lots of bright shiny resources, catering for a large amount of children at a highly subsidised price, with well paid staff and glossy brochures Childminders are struggling along at home working very much in isolation, trying to offer a professional service with lots of paperwork they can't get their heads around... no subsidies, no grants, no back-up, parents who try to get them to undercut each other, then the phone doesn't ring, then parents take their children away cos the children's centre is cheaper 'How does this help the children?' ask the Childminders who have spent years building up their reputations and getting to know the individual child, only for them to be thrust into a 1-13 ratio Hope this helps! Sarahx  |
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Post by rubberband on Oct 31, 2007 9:34:47 GMT
thanks alot!!!! ;D it certainly clarified alot of things. so basically its a risistance towards childrens centres built on a fear of being outdone or cast aside?  can i ask you susan: are you a childminder? did you share this fear (or anyone else out there?) was there something else hindering you, or tell me what it is about childminding that you enjoy soo much.  thanks all!  xx |
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Post by rubberband on Oct 31, 2007 9:36:10 GMT
THANKYOU SARAH!!!
;D
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Post by rubberband on Oct 31, 2007 9:43:07 GMT
OK - so now im stuck again! lol so what would they mean by "strategies to overcome...." then? if what your saying (and it DOES actually make a lot of sense) about the fear of being 'dumped' for the cheaper childrens centres......what kind of strategies would i (or should i) be thinking of? maybe im thinking about this from a childminders point of view - do you guys think this question is more from a 'childrens centres' point of view? like trying to get childminders involved in the centre? (nursery assistants?) OR AM I JUST GETTING CONFUSED AGAIN!!!  lol |
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Post by theresa on Oct 31, 2007 9:45:35 GMT
hi rubberband although we don't mind helping people your questions seem a little strange.
Are you doing a childcare course? if so it would be easier for you to ask your tutor face to face as it were.
I don't want to sound harsh but we're not just here for people to do reasearch on!!
xx
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Post by angeldelight on Oct 31, 2007 9:55:40 GMT
Hi Rubberband
I also think your questions are a bit weird
Tell us - are you a childminder or are you thinking of becoming one ?
Most of us do it because we love children - no other reason really
I am a bit unsure about your questions and the reason for them !!!!
Angel xx
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Post by rubberband on Oct 31, 2007 9:59:45 GMT
i know u guys arent. if i wanted to do "research" i'd ask my mum, my aunts and my friend - they are all childminders. But what i was after was a little bit of help and support - from you guys, i wanted to find out your take on this question - if it is too much for you to help- its fine - not a problem. but i'd appreciate any help i can get - thats all  |
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Post by rubberband on Oct 31, 2007 10:03:34 GMT
im actually a nursery officer (over five years now) and im doing a part time course. i was given this question as part of my course and i just really needed some help  |
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Post by lorri on Oct 31, 2007 10:04:23 GMT
Hi Rubberband I'm not being awkward but can I ask why you are asking these questions? Is it for a college/university course? Are you media? Is it for your work? I'm sure that if you read back your quesion you will see that it is a bit out of the blue and the reason behind it isn't explained fully. As you seem to be surrounded by childminders I'm not entirely sure why you need our help? I'm sorry I'm not trying to be rude but would like to understand where you are coming from. Lorri x |
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Post by angeldelight on Oct 31, 2007 10:06:43 GMT
We are a friendly bunch and always happy to help anyone
Your first question here was " I am doing some research "
Now in your last reply you say " if you wanted to do research you would ask your family who are minders "
That does not really make much sense
Like I say no one wants to appear rude to you and we are happy to help
We are just happy being childminders because we like working from home and the freedom it gives us rather than being confined to a children's centre
Angel xx
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Post by theresa on Oct 31, 2007 10:10:55 GMT
hi rubberband it would have been nice and polite to actually have stated that you were a nursery officer and needed help for a course to begin with. As i said we don't mind offering help but i do feel that you've been secretive in the way you've gone about it.
xx
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Post by rubberband on Oct 31, 2007 10:15:27 GMT
i was initially doing 'research' when i 'thought' i knew what the question was implying/asking. but after Sarah cleared a few things up for me - i am NOW NOT doing research and NOW asking for HELP.
I completely understand your views - but what i dont understand is that - IF you DONT want to help - wouldn't it just be easier NOT to reply??
i would REALLY REALLY appreciate some help as i am well and truly stuck! so IF you can - and you dont mind - please post me a reply, I'd be EXTREMELY grateful
thank you guys,xx
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Post by rubberband on Oct 31, 2007 10:18:00 GMT
hi rubberband it would have been nice and polite to actually have stated that you were a nursery officer and needed help for a course to begin with. As i said we don't mind offering help but i do feel that you've been secretive in the way you've gone about it. xx sorry my bad: i had soo much on yesterday - finally had two mins to myself, sat down on the computer and just asked the question straight out. your right though- sorry! |
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Post by susan on Oct 31, 2007 10:33:51 GMT
thanks alot!!!! ;D it certainly clarified alot of things. so basically its a risistance towards childrens centres built on a fear of being outdone or cast aside? can i ask you susan: are you a childminder? did you share this fear (or anyone else out there?) was there something else hindering you, or tell me what it is about childminding that you enjoy soo much. thanks all! xx I completely understand your views - but what i dont understand is that - IF you DONT want to help - wouldn't it just be easier NOT to reply?? |
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Post by theresa on Oct 31, 2007 10:42:19 GMT
rubberband this is the last time i'm going to reply, we have stated we are willing to help anyone but i'm sorry i will not be helping anyone who's attitude is as bad as yours. Not only have you used caps (shouting) but this statement has annoyed me beyond belief. I suggest that until you are a little bit friendlier that you do use your mum and aunt as research and for help.
I completely understand your views - but what i dont understand is that - IF you DONT want to help - wouldn't it just be easier NOT to reply??
xx
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Post by rubberband on Oct 31, 2007 10:48:54 GMT
nnnoooooooo!!!
sorry!!!
i didn't mean the caps as shouting!!!!!!
OK, not a problem- i honestly didn't mean it as if i was shouting - and I'm extremely sorry if it came across as that!!!
this whole thing has turned completely pear-shaped! i honestly didn't have any negative feelings to wards anyone and if anyone was hurt o upset - then i apologize.
i honestly DO want help - thats all. it now feels like I'm just trying to qualify why I'm asking in the fist place- all i needed was a little help.
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Post by rubberband on Oct 31, 2007 10:54:05 GMT
never mind.
thankyou all for helping me so far - (thanks sarah!)
sorry if i upset anyone- i didnt mean to.
take care all, and bye!
xxx
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Post by vik3000 on Oct 31, 2007 13:59:53 GMT
Hi, regarding your original question about Childrens Centers - I work closely with my local CC and there are close links between the Center and childminders being forged. Its about getting the childminders and their roles recognised by the Center and the community. There are plans to introduce a portfolio of childminders that can be given to parents to browse through when considering childcare. Also the short courses that the Centre runs - childminders are being given opportunties to mind the child on a short term basis - again raising our profile in the community.
Personally I have no resistance to CC's - I work alongside it as they do me.
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Post by rubberband on Oct 31, 2007 15:09:58 GMT
thanks for that! so what exactly does the childrens centre do? what programs do they run, etc. i i'm trying to understand all this better! xxx |
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Post by buildingblocks on Nov 1, 2007 13:51:22 GMT
I have no resistance to offering my expertise to anyone childminders (reason for being on the forum to gain and when able to offer advice), nurseries and childrens centres though possibly wouldn't ask for help from a mere childminder as most of them (and yes there possibly are exceptions) who have no opinion of childmidners and wouldn't ask our advice.
I had this on a training where some 'gentleman' couldn't work out why a childminder was attending as what use was it to them. I just let him dig his own grave (as a qualified NNEB with over 20 years experience) with him telling me he wouldn't employ anyone in his nursery who had been a childminder with no qualifications (I hold 2 level 3's) when I said hwo manyof his staff were qualified and to what level he said they all had level 2's with a couple of them having level 3's.
We are very lucky in our area as the Childrens Centres seem to be working with the childminders and most of them have childminders drop in groups being held at them (we have four in our area).
I think the remit with the Childrens Centres is they have to work with the local childcare whether it is exsiting nursery or childminders. Some areas the CC are putting up resistance and not doing this willingly from what I gather but I know as I have said in our area they welcome childminders.
Can I ask you a question as I noticed you are a nursery officer. Are you in the process of becoming a childminder or just thinking about it? (apologies if you hae answered this elsewhere I have been absent from the forum for almost a week and am just skimming messages and replying to certain ones) or are you just researching from a training point of view.
The reason iI ask is I have no problem with giving my point of view on anything (often more wrong then right lol) but I do like people to do it with honesty and I just presume people on here are childmidners or in the process of registering. If you are just posting to get info for research purposes then you should really be honest and state you are not childminder.
As I say many apologies if you have done this and I missed it in the posts somewhere.
love Kate
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Post by buildingblocks on Nov 1, 2007 13:58:05 GMT
I have just noticed your last post on this but if you are a Nursery Officer are you not aware of the roles of A Children's Centre and there role and what they offer. As a nursery Officer of 5 years I find it hard to believe that you would not understand this.
You say you are a nursery officer I presume by this you mean a high up position in a nursery eg a room manager or similar or a deputy and find it very unusual that you do not know of the role of a Childrens Centres (Once again apologies as I am behind on posts)
lov eKate
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Post by rubberband on Nov 1, 2007 14:38:39 GMT
hi kate,
yes i did answer this question before - i am a nursery nurse, not a room leader or a deputy.
strangely enougth i haven't heard of childrens centres - what i wanted to know was how they operate? how do the child minders fit into the centres. do they pop in with children that they are minding or are they connected to the centre as carers, etc?
many thanks!
xxx
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Post by angeldelight on Nov 1, 2007 15:04:04 GMT
Nursery Officer ?
Nursery Nurse ?
My daughter is a nursery nurse and I have been one for a short time
Unsure why you want to know about a childrens centre
Why do you need to know these type of questions ? Where does it all come into the job you are doing now ?
I have never needed to know those type of questions when working in a nursery and I know my daughter does not
Is there a reason you NEED to know ?
Angel xx
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Post by lorri on Nov 1, 2007 15:15:48 GMT
Rubberband - wouldn't it be easier for you to just contact some children centre's direct and ask them?
If you are finding out for a legitimate reason I'm sure they wouldn't mind helping you.
Personally, I'm not sure what a childrens centre is but they'd be able to tell you how the operate, not us.
Your query seems to have mutated rather a lot so I'm a bit confused!
Lorri x
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