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Post by raggydolls on Nov 13, 2007 18:18:55 GMT
wow writing this stuff is actually quite hard as you cant copy and paste any info from the examples on the bromley website or the NCMA website, it has to be in all your own words and trying to rewrite their examples is hard :-(
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Post by lisaurry on Nov 13, 2007 18:29:00 GMT
Hi raggydolls
I did mine from the NCMA site, I have just checked again (in case it had changed), and I am able to to rewrite things on it... when I click to open it, it opens up in word then I can save as my own doc. and edit it as appropriate.
Did this not work for you? Lisa x
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Post by angeldelight on Nov 13, 2007 18:33:10 GMT
Not sure what you mean
If you go to the Bromley site and download a policy for example it is in word so you do not have to rewrite the whole thing - just change the wording and adapt it to suit your own setting
Easy
Angel xx
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Post by custardcream on Nov 13, 2007 18:33:59 GMT
Hi, i used alot of the stuff on the bromley site and was also able to alter it, copy and paste etc etc.
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Post by raggydolls on Nov 13, 2007 18:42:59 GMT
I told the inspector today i had copied and pasted bits from both bromley and NCMA example policies and just made them suitable for my use, as in a adapted it abit but was still largely the wording they used and she wasnt happy about it, so im now going thru them and rewriting them in my own words and its quite hard :-(
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Post by angeldelight on Nov 13, 2007 18:45:02 GMT
Keep your mouth firmly closed next time
You are not the first and will not be the first to use these policies
We all go there
Just make sure you do change them though but you do not have to change them completely we would all use the same type of wording anyway
Maybe your inspector thought you had copied them word for word ?
Angel xx
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Post by raggydolls on Nov 13, 2007 18:52:52 GMT
well ive only gone thru one of my policies so far and chopped it down from 3 pages to 1.5, so it wasnt a bad thing, lol. theres just so much out there to use and figuring out whats important and what isnt is the main issue, but im getting there :-)
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Post by angeldelight on Nov 13, 2007 18:57:43 GMT
Good luck with it
Angel xx
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Post by sarahnev707 on Nov 13, 2007 20:07:40 GMT
There's a lot of wording in the Bromley ones that I take out - it's really important that your policies are yours, so they need to read in a way your parents will understand them and some of Bromley's flowery stuff is a bit beyond most parents I think! I always change the font and size as well.... but apart from that, they're good practice and, as Angel says, I suggest you use the best bits and say nowt in future!
Good luck!
Sarahx
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Post by carolinel on Nov 13, 2007 21:23:01 GMT
I've used some of the polices from Bromley, and have done the rest myself.
To be quite honest with you i really don't see the problem in using the bromley polices. So what if you have copied it from somewhere else. As long as it's relevant to your setting and the parents and you understand it then it shouldn't matter. Blimey it's like being back at school - NO COPYING.
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Post by allinatiz on Nov 13, 2007 21:29:07 GMT
I have also adapted policies from the NCMA and Bromley sites and find it bizarre that an inspector would have a problem with it, especially when on the pre reg course I went on we were given policies to write word for word!
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Post by ajs on Nov 13, 2007 21:39:23 GMT
i also adapted the bromley policies i put them all in my own headed notepaper and reworded quite a bit off them all. after all a policy is a policy they are all going to be very similar just words that are different not the meaning
if you get what i mean
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Post by manjay on Nov 13, 2007 22:08:45 GMT
We were told on our ICP course that the Inspectors "know" the NCMA policies and would expect us to use them for reference only. Having said that it is really hard reading a sentance that sounds really good and just changing it for the sake of it.
Amanda xx
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Post by lorri on Nov 13, 2007 22:47:00 GMT
Most, if not all, of my policies come from the Bromley site although I have changed the wording a lot and they do look completely different. I found some too wordy and others were really unnecessarily strict and stern sounding for me plus I didn't agree with some parts of some of them.
To be honest, if I hadn't used Bromley as a starting point I probably still wouldn't have any policies because I had absolutely no idea where to begin. Saying that, if it hadn't been for finding this Forum I wouldn't have known about Bromley and I'd be even more stuck!
Lorri x
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Post by susi513 on Nov 14, 2007 10:44:24 GMT
I've heard of problems where childminders (perhaps who don't have a pc or the confidence to use one at a library etc) have used photocopies of policies and thought that would do for their Ofsted inspection, without having read/understood that the policy they've presented doesn't reflect what they are actually doing in practice. Clearly, any policy you give to parents or show to Ofsted must be an accurate representation of what you do in your business. AFIK you are allowed to use phrases from NCMA & Bromley sites in your own policies - as long as you've deleted or changed anything that is different from what you do in your practice. Each policy should be individual to each childcarer because we don't all do exactly the same things. www.ncma.org.uk/download/po9_using-the-policies.doc
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Post by miffy on Nov 15, 2007 7:58:52 GMT
Seems to me Ofsted are never happy!
There is no legal requirement for us to have most of the policies many of us have anyway - it's simply our good practice to demonstrate how we deal with situations, inform parents etc etc
As long as the policies show what we would/do do in our setting there shouldn't be a problem
So where ofsted are concerned then it is best as Angel said to keep your mouth firmly shut!!!!!!
Miffy
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Post by linda on Nov 15, 2007 21:00:07 GMT
I have used some of the policies of the bromley website i have changed some slightly but not much my inspector did not seem to mind . Maybe she has never looked at the site i dont know but she seemed happy it was quite a while ago i only got a good though . Lindaxx
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Post by buildingblocks on Nov 16, 2007 12:40:38 GMT
I think everyone of my policies have been adapted from somewhere or other but they are adapted. Also in my folder where I keep copies of all my policies (as I update I add it in front of the old one) in t he fornt of hte folder there is a notice that says my policies are an adaptation of work from a variety of websites etc, etc.
When I was assessed for Steps to Quality my assessor said to me why reinvent the wheel. My logic is if it is not my work then I acknowledge that at the bottom of it in a footer.
I used to have students in my setting and the paperwork was adapted from someone elses work I acknowledged her by putting her name inthe footer and I got her permission to do it as well.
I freely share my plicies and procedures with people who are struggling and say they can use and adapt them. So imagine my horror when someone I considered a friend showed me her handbook and it was word for word mine not even attempted to be altered and a couple of policies were complete lies as she had not got what was quoted in the policy. Needless to say I share nothing with her now.
lov eKate
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Post by susan on Nov 16, 2007 14:10:06 GMT
I think everyone of my policies have been adapted from somewhere or other but they are adapted. Also in my folder where I keep copies of all my policies (as I update I add it in front of the old one) in t he fornt of hte folder there is a notice that says my policies are an adaptation of work from a variety of websites etc, etc. When I was assessed for Steps to Quality my assessor said to me why reinvent the wheel. My logic is if it is not my work then I acknowledge that at the bottom of it in a footer. I used to have students in my setting and the paperwork was adapted from someone elses work I acknowledged her by putting her name inthe footer and I got her permission to do it as well. I freely share my plicies and procedures with people who are struggling and say they can use and adapt them. So imagine my horror when someone I considered a friend showed me her handbook and it was word for word mine not even attempted to be altered and a couple of policies were complete lies as she had not got what was quoted in the policy. Needless to say I share nothing with her now. lov eKate Can I add that it wasnt me xxx
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Post by miffy on Nov 16, 2007 21:45:49 GMT
NO-ONE would think that of you Susan
Miffy x
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Post by buildingblocks on Nov 21, 2007 13:04:00 GMT
Can I add that it wasnt me xxx no it wasn't susan honest (sorry Susan but that did make me laugh) this was way before I knew you love Kate
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