queenie
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Post by queenie on Oct 20, 2007 21:27:11 GMT
Does anyone know anything about new Ofsted regulations that say nursery staff are not allowed to wipe childrens bottoms!! I was told this this week by my daughters nursery. My daughter is 3 and still cant do it herself properly. I went to collect her and she was a bit embarrased because she had needed the toilet and couldnt wipe herself properly and no one helped her. After I had cleaned her up I ask why no one had helped her and was told it was new Ofsted regulations!! They are still allowed to change 21/2 year olds that are still in pull ups so why not children that are toilet trained? If this is the case why is it only nursery staff? I have a 3 year old minded child who is only just toilet trained and wouldn't refuse to help him even if Ofsted said so!! Has anyone else heard this?
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Post by ajs on Oct 20, 2007 21:29:41 GMT
sorry i haven't but the way ofsted are it wouldn't surprise me
we won't be allowed to change nappies next
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Post by carolinel on Oct 20, 2007 21:36:23 GMT
if it is true it is absolutely ridiculous. One of my mindees is nearly 4 and can't wipe herself, I would never leave her with a dirty bottom - surely that is neglect!
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Post by angeldelight on Oct 20, 2007 21:55:55 GMT
I have not heard about this
I thought it was more school age children that they were not allowed to help not nursery age ?
Both my daughters work in a nursery and they have not been told this and they only had Ofsted out last week !!!
It would be interesting to find out though if this is right
So if you work with a 3 year old you are expected to leave them " dirty " all day - so then they could get really sore and of course would smell all day?
How bloody stupid !
Angel xx
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Post by heldraincloud on Oct 20, 2007 21:56:47 GMT
how silly??? I remember when my daughter was at nursery they used to help her but had to have some one else present.......did you know its a fact that children under 5 years cant physically do it themselves because their arms arent long enough, I mind a 2 1/2 year old 10 hours a day, can you imagine if I had to let her wipe her own bottom? Id like to see ofsted tell me I cant help her, my argument is im not meeting her needs if I leave her to fend for herself, what a world we live in.......sorry I feel quite strongly about this, your poor little girl, can you give permission for the staff to help? like the policies we have to change nappies, wash children if necessary... x x
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Post by miffy on Oct 20, 2007 22:03:07 GMT
Don't believe this - think someone' got the wrong end of the stick here - I mean the staff at your daughter's nursery queenie not you!
Miffy
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Post by angeldelight on Oct 20, 2007 22:13:40 GMT
Louise yes our local school and nursery always have someone else present now when they do anything regarding a child
Even taking them to have a plaster on a cut - yes really !!!
Strange though how it is like that for some schools yet us childminders are trusted to do everything alone
I do not understand why we are not all treated the same
Angel xx
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Post by tasha on Oct 20, 2007 22:20:25 GMT
The world (OFSTED) really has gone mad if this is true! Tasha  |
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Post by heldraincloud on Oct 20, 2007 22:22:25 GMT
Angel, shocking isn it?? putting on a plaster with assistance?? yet we can be with 5 under 8year olds alone......I had a nearly 4 year old last week who had an accident, and it wasnt a wee, was i supposed to ring the parents to come and help him....i think not, its crazy
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Post by miffy on Oct 20, 2007 22:23:31 GMT
That's bonkers!
Miffy
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Post by vik3000 on Oct 20, 2007 22:34:45 GMT
The easiest way to find out if the ruling is true is to phone OFSTED and confirm either way. After all OFSTED are wanting people to ring them and talk to them about the childcare concerns we have. If it is true then vent your spleen - if it is not then go back to your nursery and use your knowledge and might to get them to reconsider what is an unhygenic and degrading practice.
I don't think thats right - its more than likely the nurseries way of covering themselves. One nursery that I know of will not assist children to change/pull up tights/loosen clothes of for toileting procedures. Its bloody ridiculous.
I cannot see that nursery settings would have this rule and us as childminders are allowed to - after all we are in a more vulnerable position.
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Post by purplerain on Oct 21, 2007 12:15:07 GMT
At my daughters nursery they do help the kids but you have to sign to say that they have informed you, there also has to be 2 staff present when it happens and they both have to sign the same letter,
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Post by mayberry on Oct 22, 2007 3:50:06 GMT
Sorry can not help. I have not heard about this one but if it is true I would feel I was neglecting the child.
Dawn k x
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Post by jo on Oct 22, 2007 11:30:54 GMT
CRAZY!!!
Surely we (as child carers in general), can't meet the "individual needs" of a child if this is the case.
I know there is a need for caution but blimey!
I would be livid if it was my child who couldn't be helped!
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Post by charleyfarley on Oct 22, 2007 15:42:23 GMT
When Charley started school Sept I had to sign a form to say if she had an accident I would allow someone to clean her up .
I've also got one of these forms to cover me with mindees but there is no way I could leave a child dirty regardless.
I should think it is someone getting the wrong end of the stick but you never know with Ofsted
Carol xx
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Post by rubybubbles on Oct 23, 2007 19:28:04 GMT
the world has gone crazy, my dd is 3yr2 mn and stuggles to clean herself, but I'm sure she saves them for home anyway!!
It's mad really, hows that going to help a childs confidance with dirty knickers/pants!
Tis true though, one of the mums at my ds school got called in 3 days on the trot as her dd soiled herself (only just 4! It happens!!) and they left her with the dirty stuff on until mum came to clean, it's mad! I did tell her to complain but she never did!
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Post by raggydolls on Oct 24, 2007 10:32:06 GMT
my friends little girl H starts nursery next week and her mum was told that H has to be able to clean herself up after the toilet, its absurd and she has had to teach her daughter to clean herself but H cant reach to clean her bum and she pokes the wipe up herself so it getting sore down below, H's mum needs to get H to sit on the toilet not on her potty and also needs to be using toilet roll as the school doesnt use wipes either, its just madness that they have to go round smelling of wee or worse :-( poor kids is all i can say
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Post by custardcream on Oct 24, 2007 11:10:41 GMT
If children are left dirty surely this is a form of neglect, or am i being daft
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Post by susan on Oct 24, 2007 12:54:49 GMT
its getting ridiculous if thats the case, we are checked and vetted before we are allowed to work with children this makes me feel annoyed like we'd be doing something wrong ...
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Post by saira172 on Oct 25, 2007 17:21:16 GMT
Me thinks they be blaming Ofsted for their sloppiness!!  They need to be inclusive, which includes wiping the bottoms of children who can't quite manage it themselves otherwise they're leaving themselves open for being hauled over the coals under the Disability Discrimination Act!!!  Off to read the other replies now and may be back to rant a little more if that's OK!!!! Saira ;D Does anyone know anything about new Ofsted regulations that say nursery staff are not allowed to wipe childrens bottoms!! I was told this this week by my daughters nursery. My daughter is 3 and still cant do it herself properly. I went to collect her and she was a bit embarrased because she had needed the toilet and couldnt wipe herself properly and no one helped her. After I had cleaned her up I ask why no one had helped her and was told it was new Ofsted regulations!! They are still allowed to change 21/2 year olds that are still in pull ups so why not children that are toilet trained? If this is the case why is it only nursery staff? I have a 3 year old minded child who is only just toilet trained and wouldn't refuse to help him even if Ofsted said so!! Has anyone else heard this? |
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Post by saira172 on Oct 25, 2007 17:22:33 GMT
So if you work with a 3 year old you are expected to leave them " dirty " all day - so then they could get really sore and of course would smell all day? How bloody stupid ! Angel xx Which of course would be neglect!!!!  |
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Post by saira172 on Oct 25, 2007 17:40:16 GMT
How's this for an interesting read??? re DDA, continence, neglect and abuse. Also says asking parents to come in and change a child would be in direct contravention of the act. Suggest you print it off and tell them to wipe the bum before you make an official complaint! www.standards.dfes.gov.uk/eyfs/resources/downloads/p0001663.pdfSaira  |
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Post by banana on Oct 29, 2007 21:07:07 GMT
well would this apply to preschool aswell?
izzy starts next month, she cant clean herself properly yet, she still needs my help, and there is no way i'd let her go if nobody would help her to get clean if she needed a poo while she was there.
i'll be gobsmacked if this is actually a new rule!
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Post by theresa on Oct 29, 2007 21:11:14 GMT
if this silly rule is coming in then i think it's shocking and disgusting, i really do wonder if the people that make these daft rules have children themselves or if they've even worked with them before.
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They need to be inclusive, which includes wiping the bottoms of children who can't quite manage it themselves otherwise they're leaving themselves open for being hauled over the coals under the Disability Discrimination Act!!! 
