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Post by bella on Oct 15, 2007 20:25:18 GMT
hi i have just found out a childminder i know is in breach of her conditions and i dont know what to do she has lied to ofsted about how many children she has and she also brags about how many she is allowed i am really anoyed about this as i work really hard with my children and dont do it just for the money which obviously she does what do i do?
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Post by sarahnev707 on Oct 15, 2007 20:27:48 GMT
Ouch! The sort of information I bet you wish you didn't have! Can't advise sorry - half of me would write to Ofsted and tell them, half of me would leave it to someone else... all of me would worry myself silly something horrid would happen to a child when she's over numbers and not insured Sarahx
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Post by bella on Oct 15, 2007 20:34:05 GMT
thats how i feel i would hate myself if something happened to a child while in her care (hope she doesnt use the forum and work out who i am) i really dont know what to do. The fact that she only told ofsted that she had one 5 year old when she has 3 children the other 2 being 3yrs and 2yrs old and that she brags about how many she is allowed means she knows she is doing something wrong.
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Post by lou on Oct 15, 2007 20:34:54 GMT
OMG what a situation, im with sarah, i would be really worried about the children in her care...........
.............however if she is going around bragging then surely its a matter of time before ofsted catch up with her? i wouldnt personally report her because i wouldnt want to get involved. but maybe thats me copping out?
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Post by lou on Oct 15, 2007 20:36:27 GMT
if she has a 5 yr old and a 3 yr old and a 2 yr old, surely she is within numbers?
or does she have children of her own in that age range?
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Post by son77 on Oct 15, 2007 20:43:52 GMT
Do you mean the 5, 3 & 2 year olds are her own kids and not ones that she is minding?
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Post by bella on Oct 15, 2007 20:44:13 GMT
they are her own children then she has goodness knows how many minded ones today i think she had about 4 under 5 fair enough she had an assistant but surely she shouldnt still have that many
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Post by jules on Oct 15, 2007 20:47:36 GMT
Are you supposed to tell Ofsted how many children you have then?
Jules
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Post by bella on Oct 15, 2007 20:48:44 GMT
no tell a lie she had 5 minded under 5 plus her own 3 plus her assistants 1 child under 5 plus any more under 8 she was collecting
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Post by lou on Oct 15, 2007 20:52:36 GMT
oh sorry i misunderstood.
i didnt realise that you meant they were her own children, god im being thick tonight.
im not sure then but they only thing i would say is do not do anything unless you know for a fact how many she is registered to have (incl assistant) and that she is definatly in breach of her registration. You never know maybe she has a variation?
i dont really know what else to say xxxxx
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Post by button68 on Oct 15, 2007 20:57:45 GMT
no tell a lie she had 5 minded under 5 plus her own 3 plus her assistants 1 child under 5 plus any more under 8 she was collecting Gosh that sounds loads!
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Post by bella on Oct 15, 2007 21:11:11 GMT
may care for no more than 6 children under 8 years; of these not more than 3 may be under 5 years and of these not more than 1 may be under 1 year at any one time when an assistant is present, may care for no more than 8 children under 8 years; of these, not more than 5 may be under 5 years, and of these, not more than 2 may be under 1 year at any one time.
but she has still only told ofsted she has 1 child also what happens if you have 3 assistants as i would say that you are still only allowed 8 under 8
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Post by sarsar3nch on Oct 15, 2007 21:18:06 GMT
Hi, horrid situation. I was in similar situation a while back when I saw another minder carrying children in her car without seatbelts, they were hanging out of window shouting to passers by. It was the 3rd time I had seen same scenario so contacted ofsted as I was so cross. Ofsted contacted her and after investigation were satisfied that she knew standards and was adhering to them so no further action taken. I wondered why I had bothered as she obviously lied to them and spouted text book stuff to them.
So may not be worth contacting them anyway???
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Post by angeldelight on Oct 15, 2007 21:28:49 GMT
Hi Bella
Sorry only just catching up
Thing is with telling tales you might have the whole situation all wrong - you might think you are right but say if you are wrong ?
I would think long and hard and get all my facts correct before I even thought about doing anything to be honest
Angel xx
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Post by charleyfarley on Oct 15, 2007 21:32:46 GMT
It is a hard thing to prove and unless Ofsted spy on her or turn up when she has all the children she will talk her way out of it.
Wrong I know.
Back to the insurance, she wouldn't be insured if she was over her numbers, so the children would not be covered.
So glad it isn't me in this situation.
Feel really bad for you, knowing this info
I'm sure whatever you do it will be the right thing.
Carol xx
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Post by bella on Oct 15, 2007 21:33:52 GMT
the thing is would you class it as telling tales if something happened to a child and she wasnt covered and i had done nothing i coulnt tell ofsted anyway as she would know it had come from me i am just so cross and neaded someone in confidence to shout off to about it
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Post by bella on Oct 15, 2007 21:37:50 GMT
i agree with you carol she would talk her way out of it. i cant see how you could get away with telling ofsted you only have 1 child of your own when you have 3 fair enough if its a new baby but a 2yr old and 3yr old and as they are not down as being her children its quite easy to hide them away if ofsted do come what happens if you have more than 1 assistant
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Post by jmoff on Oct 16, 2007 8:41:06 GMT
hi there
I wouldn't personally let Ofsted know unless you are sure about the number of children she is allowed to have( she may have a variation)
Maybe you could talk to her and ask her about it?She should have a reg cert displayed shouldnt she? Would't the parents notice?
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Post by angeldelight on Oct 16, 2007 8:44:30 GMT
If you are 100% sure that you are correct then report it if you feel children are at risk
It is a shame you are in this postition
You do not have to give your name to Ofsted
At the end of the day if she does not want to get found out then she should not be doing it should she
So even if she THINKS it is you that reports her at the end of the day it is HER FAULT and not yours
You have nothing to worry about but she does
Angel xx
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Post by vik3000 on Oct 16, 2007 9:14:29 GMT
My personal opinion is that you have a professional duty and resposibility to the welfare of children. As Angel says you do not have to give your name to Ofsted and its then up to then to prove/disprove the situation and its then out of your hands - you have performed your (moral/professional) duty.
This is the type of situation that could bring our already battered profession into disrepute and to get the even footing that we deserve with other childcare workers, bad practice needs to be rooted out.
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Post by susan on Oct 16, 2007 9:31:10 GMT
My personal opinion is that you have a professional duty and resposibility to the welfare of children. As Angel says you do not have to give your name to Ofsted and its then up to then to prove/disprove the situation and its then out of your hands - you have performed your (moral/professional) duty. This is the type of situation that could bring our already battered profession into disrepute and to get the even footing that we deserve with other childcare workers, bad practice needs to be rooted out. I appreciate what everyone one else has said but have to agree with Vik on this one, think about the children, you wouldnt be doing it to be nasty but for their wellbeing xxx
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Post by susan on Oct 16, 2007 9:32:06 GMT
(Going to see TAKE THAT soon Whoooo hoooo) lucky you Vik when are you going and where to xxx
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Post by vik3000 on Oct 16, 2007 10:56:16 GMT
27th November Newcastle....... Watch out on the news for 35 year old woman gets arrested for throwing herself (stalking) at the Take That lads and generally behaving in a very teenagerish manner
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Post by happyhome on Oct 16, 2007 13:40:05 GMT
How did you get to know that she lied to ofsted about the number of children she has? Honestly, if she was my friend, I would ask her the magic wand she has used on ofsted and see if she can help me with one too. You may find out that she is not doing anything illegal ifyswim.
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Post by fionamal on Oct 16, 2007 17:56:41 GMT
I had a friend who was a childminder and had to be reported but it was done annon as I didnt want it all to backfire on me.
She had 14 kids all at one time during the school hols. Some days i can even manage my own 2 plus the 3 I mind for never mind 14 kids.
The thing that angered me was that she had them all in her car which was only a 7 seater.
To this day she is still my friend and doesnt know who it was that told tales. She thought she just had a spot inspection.
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Post by vik3000 on Oct 16, 2007 18:08:15 GMT
It is beyond belief that people will do such stupid things. I would imagine that perhaps we have all at one time or another gone over our numbers for an hour or two,
I would agree that perhaps you could have a sneaky look at her registration certificate to see if she has any special circumstances attached?
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Post by bella on Oct 16, 2007 18:34:21 GMT
i have and she hasnt have also seen her ofsted report which states she has one child aged 5 when i asked her about she told me she managed to get the others taken cant see how as i couldnt get my 5 year old taken off in the nov when he started full time in the dec even though he was at nursery half the day lucky enough a friend of mine looked after the baby i was due to have till i was able to take her on i know most childminders do it for an hour or so but thats with one child i counted 4 over her numbers yesterday and they were the ones i could see
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Post by bungleina on Oct 16, 2007 18:48:38 GMT
I agree with Vik, our reputation as registered childminders is very easily tarnished ( if something goes wrong we all get a bad reputation) I employ 2 other childminders and our registration states when 3 childminders working we can care for 9 children under 5 but still maximum of 12 under 8 and maximum of 18 children in total. If only 2 working can care for 6 under 5, 12 under 8 and again maximum of 18. If only 1 working can care for 3 under 5, 6 under 8 and maximum 10.
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Post by rubybubbles on Oct 16, 2007 19:36:48 GMT
My personal opinion is that you have a professional duty and resposibility to the welfare of children. As Angel says you do not have to give your name to Ofsted and its then up to then to prove/disprove the situation and its then out of your hands - you have performed your (moral/professional) duty. This is the type of situation that could bring our already battered profession into disrepute and to get the even footing that we deserve with other childcare workers, bad practice needs to be rooted out. lol vik I was going to say the same about profesional duty teehee did we swallow the some book!! No honestly if she is in breech I wouldn't take a second glace in reporting her - it's a shame parents don't seem to 'notice' how many children she has Remember the report in Scotland on the childminder in the summer??? (I'm sure some clever clogs can find it, I'm rubbish at links and stuff)
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Post by rubybubbles on Oct 16, 2007 19:41:47 GMT
not the one I was after but still :ohttp://www.thecourier.co.uk/output/2007/02/26/newsstory9350894t0.asp
I did it I linked it oh yeah yeah yeah
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