WHATS ON OUR CERTIFICATE

[nannan]

I'm getting confused again, on my certificate its says
may care for no more that 4 children under 8 years, of these not more than 3 may be under 5 years, and not more than 1 may be under 1 year at one time,
now does this include my 2 year old granddaughter and my 7 year old granddaughter or can I have 3 under 5 plus gd which makes 4 under 5 and one more over 5 years and my other gd
some one HELP ME PLEASE
said I was confused
thanks
Mandy

[tasha]

Your certificate numbers are minded children and do now include your own children - however you can only have 1 under one whether minded or your own unless you have specific permission. Your grandchildren are classed as minded children!
Hope this helps!
Tasha

[banana]

im confused.

my certificate doesnt include isabelle? so shold i be due a new certificate? i though only minded children numbers were shown on the certificate and your own were excluded?

[Pauline]

Forgive me if I'm wrong Mandy, but was it you that said, in another post, that your grandchildren lived with you?

If that is the case then I would have thought that Ofsted would have counted them as if they were your own children and therefore the ones on your certificate are for minded numbers.

[tasha]

If your grandchildren live with you then they are not classed as minded children! - Sorry I wasn't aware of that they lived with you!

[tasha]

Sorry - I'm not sure how old Isabelle is or what your certificate says - I kind of get a bit lost as to who has which children!

[banana]

Isabelle is 2 and a half.

My certificate says I can mind no more than 2 under 5 of which only 1 can be under one. And 2 over 5

Isabelle is excluded from my certificate so was just wondering if Ofsted are changing what the certificates say now?

x

[nannan]

Hi all
no the girls dont live with me, and the inspector who has seen me knows this, so I am really confused as to what is going on, the impression that the certificates gives is that I can mind four children of which 3 under five and one over five, and the granddaughters are counted in the numbers of having only six children to mind altogether, before my certificate was altered I could mind 2 children of which, two under five and not more then one under 1. and then my two granddaughters, as I only had the space for four children.
Like banana I had the impression that the certificate only includes the minded children, and ofsted take into account your own/grandchildren, in the number of children who can mind at any one time.
see said I was confused
mandy

[deeb66]

Have to say Mandy I am also confused

Something is starting to ring alarm bells here - I wonder if Ofsted have changed what they are putting on the certificate. In the past they have put on the certificate the amount of children you can mind as they take into account your own children/grandchildren - I am wondering if they have changed policy and are now putting on the total amount you can have including your own on the certificate - am I making sense?

The reason I ask this question because we have recently had a huge debate on a previous thread about the same problem with a newly registered minder who's child is under 1 but the certificate states she can have a child under 1 and most of us said that Ofsted must have got it wrong but when she queried they said it was correct - Is there a pattern here or am I making 5 out of 2 + 2?

Dee

[banana]

Very good point Dee.

I know my certificate is correct for the numbers I have as The ofsted inspector went through it when she was here ensuring everything was in order - but yes, there does seem to be a lot of conflicting advice/suggestions being raised.

Its all very confusing. I think i'll call Ofsted in the morning and find out - then we will all know!

x

[banana]

Actually - forget that last sentence, even after calling we still may be none the wiser

[deeb66]

What throws even more suspicion Lana is that the certificates that seem to be confusing are newly issued ones - that's what makes me wonder if they have changed their system.

Dee

[tasha]

I thought you may be right and I have the certificate which was issued to me 6ish months ago when I first became registered and the new one they decided to sent to me recently with the new logo and they both say the same thing! (My children are not included in the numbers on the certificate - as my inspector also took a lot of time going through it all with me). But it certainly seems as if something has changed! All I can say is that this is all v. frustrating as you can't even go by maximum numbers given in the standards as it is all done on an indiviual basis depending on space, no of your own children etc! However it might help to look at the standards and try and work it out by the maximum under 5, of which... etc and if your children/grandchildren send you over that number then you know what's what - I hope I'm making sense!!!!
Tasha

[banana]

Im on hold............. she doesnt know??.............................. she's off to find out.

still waiting.............................. dull music...................... just getting you all involved in the experience lol

Seriously, been holding for 5 minutes now!!! Where has she gone to find out?


Ok. Here's the answer from the department that issue the certificates.

'Ofsted do NOT include your own children on the certifiates, old or new. Only numbers for minded children are shown'

So whatever shows on your certificate IS IN ADDITION to your own children.

Hope this helps everyone

xxx

[tasha]

Thanks for clarifying situation!

[angeldelight]

Ha ha you made me laugh Lana

Thanks for sharing that phone call with us thank god you were not left hanging around for hours I have visions of you sitting here sharing it with us haha

Angel xx

[banana]

well I wanted you all to feel like you were part of the Ofsted experience!!

I shouldnt be the only lucky one!!! hee hee ;D

[deeb66]

Thanks for that Lana

the only thing I can say then is the inspectors are getting it wrong because going back to Mandy's original question her certificate should read 4 children no more than 2 under 5 as she looks after her two granchildren 1 under 5 and 1 over 5 ....... I would give them a ring if I were you Mandy as if you take on what is written on your certificate you will be in breach of the Standards and law!!!

Dee

[banana]

Yes Mandy.

As Dee has said I would definately give Ofsted a call, seems like something has gone wrong somewhere and its better to show that you are responsible enough to question what is on your certificate rather than the possibility of running into trouble at a later date.

xxxx

[angeldelight]

Maybe when you call Ofsted you could ask if they have any jobs going

Seems like everyone here knows more about their rules than they know themselves

How rubbish is that ?

Angel xx

[nannan]

Thanks for the advice girls, I will give them a ring, at present I only have two mindees, and my two gd, and as from the end of this month, that will change as I lose the mindees for the summer, and when they arrive back in September one of them will be attending full time school, so I wont be in breech if I have anymore little ones,

[Bella]

The only children taken into account on your certificate are your own children or children that you have parental guardianship of. Your certificate is saying that you are only registered for 4 children in total under 8 years . Your grandchildren would have to take two of these places. Are you newly registered ? if not what did your last certificate say?

[nannan]

Hi all
no being registered for over a year, first certificate said that I could care for two children under eight, only one under one year old, (old version) and my two grandchildren were not on the certificate but counted in my numbers as discussed at the visit I could care for four children in all,
second certificate said,
could care for two children under eight, again only one under one year, old, (new version) as moved and needed new certificate.
I asked to have my numbers increased, and discussed this when had my inspection in new house I could care for two extra mindee's and my grandchildren, taking numbers up to the maximum of six children in all,
so going back to the original question, it seems that I can care for four under five, in writing,(haha) (would be mad) (as not got that a bigger house) ( also not quite that fit ) as the grandchildren are on record with ofsted that I mind them five days aweek, but I will go ahead and phone them to see what they have to say, I dont intend to care for the maximum numbers that are written on the certificate, just thought I would mention this as OFSTED do seem to be saying one thing and doing the opposite.
mandy

[deeb66]

Exactly Mandy - I think they have got it wrong as you cannot go over numbers/ratio's unless you have a special request approved (they call it 'Variance').

Dee

[angeldelight]

Yes Dee you are right

I had to ask for permission for this when I wanted another baby under 1 to care for

I am allowed 2 under 1 but only if daughter is here

Because one of the children had a new baby I had to ask Ofsted for permission it is called a variation

They only usually allow it if you have a special reason
I was allowed because I care for babys brother

Angel xx

[nannan]

hi all not had time yet to phone but hoping to find 10mins this week, will let you know what they say when I get round to ringing them,

[nannan]

Hi all, an update on my question, I phoned ofsed on wed pm, and spoke to a very nice chap who didnt really have a clue, but said he checked and the certificate was right, I could have my granddaughters and three under five plus one over five, I spoke to dee in the evening and a friend in early years and both suggested that I get it in writing, so I phoned up again on thursday, and spoke to a female this time, she said that my phone call had been recorded and that she would get the chap to put it in writing, that evening the ofsted inspector who came to my house and did both of my inspections phoned me and said that they had been a mistake and she would look into it for me, well since then she has come back and thanked me for pointing out there error, she has amended my reg doc. so that when not having parental controll of my granddaughters then I can have the 3 under five, but when I have my granddaughter I can have 2 under five, which we all know is what it should be, You can bet if I didnt say anything in the first place to them, I would have got in trouble for not pointing it out, I must admit it wasnt until I was checking up on something else that I noticed the error in the first place, lucky I did I think, as I dont fancy going over my numbers, they mistake or not, any way girls at least it has been sorted and I am in the clear, and I did get a thank you from ofsted so they cant all be bad, thanks girls for all you help
mandy