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Post by Pauline on Aug 2, 2007 10:06:04 GMT
I've been having a read of the standards for EYFS. I know they don't come into effect until Sept 08 but thought I'd start changing things over as it will have to be done one day.
After reading the 'medicines' section (page 26) It leads me to think that we will only be allowed to administer 'prescribed' medicines and will not be allowed to give such things as Calpol /teething get etc. even WITH parents permission because it reads:
Medicines should only be taken to the setting when this is essential and settings should only accept medicines that have been prescribed by a doctor, dentist or pharmacist.
While a pharmacist might suggest to a parent that Calpol would be useful there is never anything actually written on the bottle like there is when you get it from the doctor, so we couldn't even cover ourselves like that could we?
Any thoughts?
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Post by tasha on Aug 2, 2007 10:58:41 GMT
Where's that written Pauline? Page 26 is dispositions & attitudes! I haven't got as far as I would like with the EYFS! I did note on page 07, that (1.13) - we are supposed to liase, "...patterns of attendance will be a key factor in planning For children who attend more then one setting, practitioners must ensure effective continuity and progression by sharing relevant information with each other & parents. Looks like we'll need a pemission form! Right have now spoken to the NCMA about this & they say that there are reams of queries & that because the EYFS is for everybody - there is going to be sections that aren't applicable to childminders & OFSTED will let them know what's what in the Sping of 2008 & then NCMA will let us know & poduce new paperwork if needed, so that we can comply! Hope this helps! Tasha  |
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Post by Pauline on Aug 2, 2007 15:11:36 GMT
It's page 26 of the Statutory Framework booklet Tasha
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Post by tasha on Aug 2, 2007 16:08:45 GMT
Sorry Pauline - I was being thick & looking in the guidance!!!
Tasha
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Post by sarahnev707 on Aug 2, 2007 17:33:52 GMT
The one that made me laugh was that children aren't supposed to come into contact with laundry facilities!!! Like where else am I supposed to put my washer and tumble drier? I got them plumbed into the outbuilding cos they're not supposed to be in the kitchen with the food hygiene regulations, but we use the outbuilding as a downstairs loo! Suppose I could always stop doing the washing while I'm working .... but my boy has chronic eczema which makes my washing pile 3 stories high every day.... Will ask when she comes next week... any more questions sling this way and i'll make a list! Sarah x |
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Post by angeldelight on Aug 2, 2007 17:52:07 GMT
So if one of the babies can not have teething gel on all day because I may not be able to use it even with parents permission
What am I supposed to do - let them cry all day ?
Oh no !!!
It is madness
I wonder who actually thinks these rules will work
We are childminders for goodness sake
I have not gone all through my standards yet but I will try to get a look at it over the weekend
Angel xx
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Post by Pauline on Aug 2, 2007 18:01:51 GMT
So if one of the babies can not have teething gel on all day because I may not be able to use it even with parents permission What am I supposed to do - let them cry all day ? Oh no !!! It is madness I wonder who actually thinks these rules will work We are childminders for goodness sake I have not gone all through my standards yet but I will try to get a look at it over the weekend Angel xx So true Angel. It's a conflict isn't it, we can't soothe their pain, even though their parents would wish it, yet we are supposed to care for them according to their parents wishes. Catch 22!  |
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Post by angeldelight on Aug 2, 2007 18:05:50 GMT
I think even if a parent left no instruction for teething gel and a baby was distressed natural instinct would take over and you would want to comfort and ease the pain
Some babies are fine when cutting their teeth but others are not
How you are supposed to ignore this beats me
Also the calpol - one of the little ones I minds is suffering dreadful with back teeth and very flushed and miserable
Imagine not being able to ease their discomfort with calpol
Mad it really is
Angel xx
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Post by angeldelight on Aug 2, 2007 18:07:17 GMT
So if you had to listen to Ofsted or a parent
What would you do I wonder ??
I know what I would do
Angel xx
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Post by angela234 on Aug 2, 2007 18:16:55 GMT
If parent wanted mt to give teething gel or calpol and i had signed permission then i would give it.
Angela
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Post by tasha on Aug 2, 2007 18:26:55 GMT
Page 23 says, "....comments from parents are incorporated into records" I already do this, but I know some of you don't. Also, ..."For each specific outing, providers must carry out a full risk assessment" (Page 24). Do you think this includes school run, park (everyday things)? Tasha  |
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Post by lorraine2767 on Aug 2, 2007 18:54:34 GMT
You couldn't let a child suffer all day will I couldn't and wouldn't. xx |
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Post by tasha on Aug 2, 2007 18:59:03 GMT
I see trouble ahead.....!
Tasha ;D
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Post by lou on Aug 2, 2007 19:38:29 GMT
oh gosh im going to have to start reading and getting prepared i think.
does anyone else think there is such a thing as taking things too far?
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Post by tasha on Aug 2, 2007 19:43:58 GMT
Yep!!!! Tasha |
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Post by janet on Aug 2, 2007 19:47:30 GMT
i also know what i would do no way would i leave a child in pain xxxx
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Post by Pauline on Aug 3, 2007 6:35:42 GMT
You couldn't let a child suffer all day will I couldn't and wouldn't. xx No you couldn't so I assume if Ofsted enforce the rule then we would have no option except to say that we can't care for children on the day they require non prescribed medication!! Try telling parents that little Johnny can't come today because he needs teething gel or Calpol, there would be uproar! |
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Post by angeldelight on Aug 3, 2007 6:42:21 GMT
Well at the end of the day ...
I think in some situations parents should have the last word !!!!!
I do not think if it was my child I would like Ofsted telling me what I can and can not let a childminder adiminster to my child
It is down to the parent I would have thought?
Angel xx
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Post by ajs on Aug 3, 2007 6:46:12 GMT
yet again this proves that allowing an organisation that oversees education take over care is ridiculous, i have NEVER thought ofsted should be our regulatory body and this is why.
ofsted are great for education but we are carers primarily NOT educators yes within our day we ,may educate the children but we are carers
that is why i went into childminding because i wanted to look after( care for ) children i could have stayed in teaching if that's what i wanted to do
sorry i'd like to say rant over but i think this just may be the beginning
mandy
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Post by ajs on Aug 3, 2007 6:50:58 GMT
sorry but back to pauline's post
if i have a child who needs calpol or travel sick pills or anything else which is non prescription medication i will administer it;
i will do the relevant paperwork and if ofsted don't like it what are they really going to do.
they are not going to take registration away from a good or outstanding childminder who cares enough for a child that they want them out of pain.
and if they do then i wouldn't want to be a childminder anyway
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Post by angeldelight on Aug 3, 2007 7:26:46 GMT
I fully agree Mandy
Angel xx
PS hope you are ok havent seen you for a while or have I been missing you ?
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Post by ajs on Aug 3, 2007 7:34:36 GMT
i have been around but not much
tasha is to blame for me being up so early this morning
i woke at 4:45 because my bites were really itchy and while lying there i thought i wonder if tasha is awake so came downstairs logged on and no she wasn't
so i've done the ironing and all of the washing put the rubbish out emptied and reloaded the dishwasher
read loads of missed posts bought a buggy board (well bid on one anyway) watered the neighbours plants and showered myself now i am ready to go to asda
and completely knackered
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Post by tasha on Aug 3, 2007 7:37:40 GMT
Love that I get blamed!!!! I was around at about 2am - so you missed me! Tasha |
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Post by ajs on Aug 3, 2007 7:42:00 GMT
well once i started thinking oh tasha might be online i couldn't get back to sleep
there were 4 guests on though i thought one of them may become the 500 th but not while i was watching
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Post by angeldelight on Aug 3, 2007 7:43:03 GMT
I came on at 1.30 but there was no one around
Angel xx
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Post by tasha on Aug 3, 2007 7:48:19 GMT
I was popping in & out, so must have missed you Angel! Tasha |
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Post by angeldelight on Aug 3, 2007 7:49:27 GMT
My leg was hurting and I could not sleep I was hoping for some company on here shame I missed you
Angel xx
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Post by tasha on Aug 3, 2007 7:57:58 GMT
Angel, You need to take a little time for you & go and get it seen to privately - I worry about your constant suffering! Tasha |
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Post by angeldelight on Aug 3, 2007 7:59:38 GMT
I know I know I will get it sorted I have a hospital appointment in just over a week let you know how it goes
Angel xx
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Post by lou on Aug 3, 2007 14:57:23 GMT
right 2 things. firstly eyfs, agree with all that has been said it is ridiculous some of these things, like has been said already, i am paid to care for children not educate them, of course they are learning through play whilst here, but still.
secondly........
whats everyone doing on here in the middle of the night lol!!
i ould just like to say i was sound asleep!!!!!!!!!!!
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